raising the limit for blackjack and high low

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Post 1 by jrimer (Please visit my home page at http://personal.wbby.us.) on Friday, 14-Jan-2005 19:07:57

OK, here goes. I was wondering whether you all thought the limit should be raised to 100k for high low and blackjack? I finally have a good chunck of points to play with, and 10k is fine, but I'd love to gamble with my points. What do you all think?

Post 2 by jaguar (Addicted to the Zone) on Friday, 14-Jan-2005 21:41:29

Hi: I wouldn't mind seeing the stakes raised on those games a bit if that would be possible. They're fun though so whatever happens I'll keep playing, smile.

Post 3 by jrimer (Please visit my home page at http://personal.wbby.us.) on Friday, 14-Jan-2005 23:01:13

I don't mind playing, but I'd like to see the stakes raised higher. It would make it more fun.

Post 4 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005 0:16:37

I only play with ten points at a time. I'm too scared to go higher, I've seen people loose points. Not that I care about my points, but I don't want to look like a weirdo and have like 0 points. Not that people with 0 points are weird. Lol. But you know? I wanna have points to play with!
Caitlin
P.S. But I can see how rich people would like more poitns to gamble. SO this is a ogod idea. It oculd be.

Post 5 by Dave_H (the boringest guy you'll ever know) on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005 0:29:46

I'd like to be able to bet it all if I want. The points have added up; it would be fun to bet a few hundred k or more.

-Dave

Post 6 by jrimer (Please visit my home page at http://personal.wbby.us.) on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005 1:33:59

Katlin, I could see you point, and it is a choice how many points you wanna gamble with. But I got rich with this game even though I only have been active for not even a month but had my account for almost a year. I would lose my points on this game too, but seeing just logging in today I got 12k, I'd love to bet that if I wanted and really get rich. Now wouldn't that be fun?

Post 7 by Dave_H (the boringest guy you'll ever know) on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005 15:06:09

Yah!

Let's make it a "true daily double"..

-Dave

Post 8 by jrimer (Please visit my home page at http://personal.wbby.us.) on Saturday, 15-Jan-2005 15:21:14

How would it be a daily double? Double the amount of points you have just for logging in? Lol

Post 9 by DixieGirl (I can't call it a day til I enter the zone BBS) on Sunday, 16-Jan-2005 12:12:35

like the idea

Post 10 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 9:23:03

yeah, raising the limit is an excellent idea. i mean no one has to bet any more than they want to, but if we could bet more than we're currently able to, then I could get richer than I already am!

Post 11 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 11:55:25

I'm against the idea .
Why, because it makes it way too easy to earn lods of points. The points only mean something if there is at lesat some effort involved in obtaining them, using that unlimited betting can get you up to millions in a very short time and we might end up seeing users with numbes so high that they start throwing excpetions when even the long data type can't accomodate them and that may cause problems with the code base itself .. therefore I suggest keeping the system as it is .. those who have the most points worked hard to earn them ;) I think the number of points should reflect that.
cheers
-B

Post 12 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 12:00:25

ah here speaks him who has the knowledge ... and while you're right in terms that it means that you can earn lost of points that way, doesn't that also follow in terms of that you could also lose millions that way? and any gambling addict will tell you that the more you win, the more you wanna win, and so the probability of losing becomes that much greater

Post 13 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 12:59:08

Also, even if you did get more points for logging in, so would everyone else, so it'd mean less. Also loads of people on ehre cheat to get points anyway like in annagrams. So to me points don't mean much. Caitlin

Post 14 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 13:26:54

Hehe, yes, but if you play games like hi lo correctly you win in the long term, no casino would ever offer you just this version of hi lo, it's too simple and there is a strategy that earns you points, making 10 million points per game will send you to the point where we have a stack overflow on the server eventually, and it can be an ugly situation, not sure how PHP deals with it but it might cause the site to shut down or the game at least to experience problems.

Post 15 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 13:29:38

surely though that would only be the case if you have a lot of people playing at the same time though? so as to create a lot of activity etc?

Post 16 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 14:25:56

Yeah ... lol. I love Hi-Lo, but it is quite simple. But fun though! And what's the strategy? Ahaha? Lol? Caitlin

Post 17 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 14:48:40

SB, no, see, each number you store on a computer is stored as a row of 0s and 1s right. Well, the computer has to deecide how much memory to assign to one number, it does that based on so called data types. E.g. a short integer, I think only hs 8 bits (you can calculate the highest number it can stored by 2 to the power of number of bits so 2 to the 8th is 256).
My guess is that the user's score is stored as a large Integer or long (not sure what the php data type is) and it's 2 to the 32nd power. It's a huge number but not infinite, it's a couple of billion points, but if you saw the tim there were no limits to hi lo some users were getting close to a billion points in no time and once you are that high you can increase your points much faster. Once the number you are at has so many bits that it exceeds the space that was allocated to it it's called overflow and it can actually start writing garbage into random addresses of the compure memory and that way you end up with massive problems and could crash the system.
This is true for C mind you, Perl or PHP might actually have a way to get around this by checking the number first and it is conceivable they actually allocate memory to the number based on its size, but I think either way that's something that needs to be kept in check. :)
Cheers
-B
p.s. if you want the optimal strategy you can email me, it's simple but sort of destroyes the game

Post 18 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 14:52:34

Wow this is very confuzzling and scary sounding.

Post 19 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Monday, 24-Jan-2005 15:39:26

wow think my brain is scrambled now but .. yeah i got the gist now, smiles

Post 20 by FreakyFwoof (The London Lief and Meep Freak) on Wednesday, 26-Jan-2005 8:35:18

I suppose it depends whether the system is running on a 64 bit processor or not doesn't it? Standard stuff is 32 bit, but as was stated above, division by 0 errors have been made almost extinct what with better coders, codings, operating systems, and the processor's ability to cope with higher and higher numbers more affectively. Therefore, in other words (but then again I could never just say what I meant in anything other than a ramble,) raising the stakes would be fun. OK, yes, problems being (only if it is taken as such) that probably people would get lots of points quicker, but isn't that their choice at the end of the day? I mean look at things this way. Anagrams: Anyone with a dictionary online or off-line can enter the words and pick up ten without working at it. Ten words to gain a hundred points, for want of a better phrase, but easy! Anyone could do that even a five year old. Anyone with a Franklin language master for example. HMM, did I just say that out loud? Aah well, so what, they get banned now from playing? Impossible without attempting to install web-cams everywhere in everyone's house who owns one. I'm sure there are anagram makers online anyway. What about the the very one to make this site function as it does? Who even knows where that came from? I sure don't.
Anyway, my point was yeah, some people earn their stuff legitimately by playing I don't know what, as I'm new here and haven't tested everything out fully yet, but I got mine by a combination of black-jack and high-low. Am I a cheeter therefore, because of it? I started this morning for example, with a meer 800,000 or there abouts, and now I'm up in the millions. Am I a bad person for this, or just sad for playing, or just addicted because it's fun?
You decide.

Post 21 by rat (star trek rules!) on Wednesday, 26-Jan-2005 19:35:20

I think there is a way to solve this problem, Just make a button that allows the person to erase the points they don't want? I think would work nicely.

Post 22 by KC8PNL (The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.) on Monday, 21-Feb-2005 5:09:00

We had this problem. One of the users got over 2 billion points and they couldn't get anymore. Since there is the potential for these problems, we can not allow people to go any higher than 2 billion. The only known way to fix this problem was to set a point cap on the gambling games. When high/low was first introduced, there was no limit and it took only a few days to discover the results.

Post 23 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 21-Feb-2005 13:03:52

Wow! Some of you talk such technoness that I couldn't understand a word, but now I think I kind of have the gist. And ya I see how if there was no limit some people's point counts would be huge! And that would slow down things.

Post 24 by jrimer (Please visit my home page at http://personal.wbby.us.) on Monday, 21-Feb-2005 14:45:16

It seems as though a half a dozen people have at least 2 billion 147 thousand something and it hasn't gone any higher, but I can see all the points made here.

Post 25 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 21-Feb-2005 17:36:38

Hahaha the POINTS made here. Get it lol argh I'm so stupid lol.